Course Design: Instructions, Rubrics and Evaluations

Course Design: Instructions, Rubrics and Evaluations

  • Date added: 2023-08-11
  • Duration: 16:22

This episode is focused on best practices for professors in regard to providing instructions, rubrics and feedback to students.

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7.938 - 9.98 ANDREW COLETTI: Hello and welcome to this episode 

9.98 - 11.03 of The T in Teaching. 

11.03 - 14.24 This episode is focused on best practices for professors 

14.24 - 16.85 in regard to providing instructions, rubrics, 

16.85 - 18.44 and feedback to students. 

18.44 - 20.93 In this episode, our host Sarah McCarthy 

20.93 - 23.48 interviewed Laura Aboyan and Patty Terry. 

23.48 - 25.7 Dr. Laura Aboyan currently serves 

25.7 - 28.31 as the Director of Curriculum Management and Assessment 

28.31 - 31.64 and Accreditation as well as an Adjunct Instructor 

31.64 - 33.77 in the Department of Management, as well 

33.77 - 35.27 as the Department of Marketing. 

35.27 - 37.73 She joined the Fox School in 2015 

37.73 - 40.52 after previously working in assessment and accreditation 

40.52 - 42.59 at the University of South Carolina. 

42.59 - 45.29 She earned her doctorate in higher education from Temple 

45.29 - 46.52 in 2021. 

46.52 - 48.77 Patty Terry currently serves Temple University 

48.77 - 51.11 as the Associate Director of Curriculum Management 

51.11 - 53.24 and Assessment for the Fox School of Business. 

53.24 - 55.94 She previously worked at the University of Pennsylvania 

55.94 - 58.67 Health System as the Undergraduate Medication 

58.67 - 60.35 Evaluation Coordinator. 

60.35 - 62.48 Thank you for listening, and please enjoy. 

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66.065 - 67.69 SARAH MCCARTHY: Hello, and welcome back 

67.69 - 69.52 to the next episode in The T in Teaching. 

69.52 - 71.62 I'm Sarah McCarthy, and we have two guests 

71.62 - 74.29 from Curriculum Management Assessment and Accreditation. 

74.29 - 76.54 I will let you both introduce yourselves. 

76.54 - 77.95 LAURA ABOYAN: Thanks, Sarah. 

77.95 - 78.94 I'm Laura Aboyan. 

78.94 - 81.1 I'm the Director of the Curriculum Management 

81.1 - 82.913 Assessment and Accreditation team. 

82.913 - 84.58 PATTY TERRY: I'm Patricia Terry, and I'm 

84.58 - 86.247 the Associate Director of the Curriculum 

86.247 - 87.94 Management and Assessment team. 

87.94 - 90.44 SARAH MCCARTHY: Thank you both so much for joining us today. 

90.44 - 93.098 Could you just tell me a little bit more about your department? 

93.098 - 95.14 LAURA ABOYAN: So Curriculum Management Assessment 

95.14 - 97.125 and Accreditation is what we do. 

97.125 - 98.5 And really, it's just a fancy way 

98.5 - 101.47 of saying quality assurance for all of our academic programs 

101.47 - 102.61 at the Fox School. 

102.61 - 103.15 SARAH MCCARTHY: Awesome. 

103.15 - 104.733 Well, thank you both for coming today, 

104.733 - 108.79 excited to give our faculty some overview on rubrics, feedback, 

108.79 - 110.47 any advice you guys can offer. 

110.47 - 112.72 But we will dive right into the first question, 

112.72 - 114.13 and either of you could start. 

114.13 - 118.15 What advice or feedback for useful instructions, 

118.15 - 120.88 creating rubrics, setting clear expectations-- 

120.88 - 122.837 where would you have faculty start with that? 

122.837 - 124.42 LAURA ABOYAN: That's a great question, 

124.42 - 126.62 and I think you mentioned it in the question. 

126.62 - 127.82 Use a rubric. 

127.82 - 132.05 If you're doing some kind of project-based assignment, 

132.05 - 134.75 a rubric is going to really help you focus in on that. 

134.75 - 138.38 And the key to designing that really useful rubric for both 

138.38 - 141.89 you and your students to avoid some of those questions 

141.89 - 145.13 is to first identify the objectives of the assignment. 

145.13 - 147.47 What is it that you want your students' completed work 

147.47 - 148.07 to show you? 

148.07 - 150.05 You can tie these to your learning objectives. 

150.05 - 153.32 Mostly, you want to try and keep it to about 5 or 6 categories 

153.32 - 155.24 otherwise it gets a little unwieldy. 

155.24 - 157.82 So these should represent the most critical knowledge 

157.82 - 159.92 and skills that are required for the assignment. 

159.92 - 163.43 Remember that each trait you use, it should be measurable, 

163.43 - 164.54 and it should be unique. 

164.54 - 167.84 If you find yourself struggling to exactly define 

167.84 - 170.69 what it looks like at various levels of mastery, 

170.69 - 173.81 it might not be a critical component of the assignment. 

173.81 - 176.42 Or alternatively, if you find yourself looking 

176.42 - 178.7 at two traits that are similar but represent 

178.7 - 180.2 different levels of application, you 

180.2 - 182.84 want to go with the one that's a little higher level. 

182.84 - 184.49 The lower-level skill or knowledge 

184.49 - 187.91 is generally an inherent part of that higher-level skill. 

187.91 - 189.98 PATTY TERRY: And I would add to that making 

189.98 - 193.73 sure that you give students a clear idea and clear guidance. 

193.73 - 196.67 And I know one of the things that we'll touch on probably 

196.67 - 199.58 shortly is that it's important to have 

199.58 - 202.52 just clear, concise language in your directions, 

202.52 - 205.46 but also to remember international and English 

205.46 - 208.7 as second language students to make sure that you're not using 

208.7 - 212.42 kind of American colloquialism and other kind of slang 

212.42 - 214.1 that they may not understand or you 

214.1 - 215.84 may have a general reference to, but they 

215.84 - 218.93 wouldn't have-- so just making sure that you are making 

218.93 - 220.91 it plain and simple for the students 

220.91 - 222.41 to understand kind of where you want 

222.41 - 223.84 them to go with the assignment. 

223.84 - 225.59 LAURA ABOYAN: Yeah and just one more thing 

225.59 - 228.02 that I would add on to that, like Patty said, you want 

228.02 - 231.11 your language to be clear and concrete and really 

231.11 - 232.16 student-friendly. 

232.16 - 237.32 Sometimes, as faculty, we get locked into the theoretical 

237.32 - 239.6 or the more academic speak. 

239.6 - 242.57 But you'll be able to avoid questions from your students 

242.57 - 246.74 if you choose those simple, concrete, less academic, 

246.74 - 248.46 and less theoretical words. 

248.46 - 250.46 It also helps if you can use parallel language 

250.46 - 252.8 across your rubric scale so that-- 

252.8 - 254.33 and across any rubrics you're using 

254.33 - 256.82 because that will set the expectation for your students. 

256.82 - 258.8 They'll become familiar with your style, 

258.8 - 260.12 with your expectation. 

260.12 - 262.04 And it will minimize some of those questions. 

262.04 - 264.38 You're never going to eliminate the questions entirely. 

264.38 - 266.63 So these are just some general tips that can help you. 

266.63 - 267.14 PATTY TERRY: [LAUGHS] 

267.14 - 268.19 LAURA ABOYAN: But really, the key 

268.19 - 269.648 is to make sure that your rubric is 

269.648 - 273.47 going to reflect what is in your assignment instructions. 

273.47 - 274.76 They're companion documents. 

274.76 - 276.03 Think about them that way. 

276.03 - 278.48 So if you can build it in to your class, 

278.48 - 280.19 go over the rubric in class. 

280.19 - 281.6 Give the students the opportunity 

281.6 - 284.24 to ask those questions while you're there. 

284.24 - 286.16 It'll go a long way to eliminating 

286.16 - 290.27 maybe a large volume of emails asking the same thing over 

290.27 - 291.23 and over again. 

291.23 - 293 And you can also make a short video 

293 - 295.67 going over your assignment instructions and rubrics 

295.67 - 298.067 so that your students can refer back to it as they 

298.067 - 299.15 complete their assignment. 

299.15 - 301.94 SARAH MCCARTHY: That's a great advice, especially the video. 

301.94 - 302.69 I like that a lot. 

302.69 - 303.56 We have Zoom. 

303.56 - 305.66 We have all these tools at our disposal. 

305.66 - 307.35 We should absolutely be using them. 

307.35 - 310.01 So when it comes to students, like what they need and want, 

310.01 - 311.96 do you guys have any feedback on you know 

311.96 - 313.67 clarifying within the rubrics? 

313.67 - 315.62 Or I love how you said the parallel, 

315.62 - 319.49 and it's the companion document to the assignment description. 

319.49 - 321.74 Do you guys have any advice for-- 

321.74 - 324.11 like from the student side, what they really like 

324.11 - 326.87 to see in the instructions, the rubrics, or even 

326.87 - 330.642 feedback on their assignments after completing it? 

330.642 - 331.85 PATTY TERRY: So I would say-- 

331.85 - 333.53 I'm currently a graduate student, 

333.53 - 335.3 and I know it's super helpful for me 

335.3 - 336.98 when I receive timely feedback. 

336.98 - 337.31 SARAH MCCARTHY: Yes. 

337.31 - 339.893 PATTY TERRY: So that's one thing that's a little bit important 

339.893 - 342.02 is to make sure that I'm not waiting weeks 

342.02 - 344.57 or towards the end of the semester to get the feedback, 

344.57 - 346.91 because it's frustrating when you get that feedback 

346.91 - 349.19 and you realize that there are things that you either missed, 

349.19 - 351.065 or you could have used assistance and done it 

351.065 - 354.8 in real time and possibly had a better grade or a better grasp 

354.8 - 356.75 on the concepts that happened in the course. 

356.75 - 359.3 So if there's one thing I could say about-- 

359.3 - 361.52 on the student side of what is helpful, 

361.52 - 363.548 it's getting feedback that's timely. 

363.548 - 365.34 LAURA ABOYAN: I would be inclined to agree. 

365.34 - 368.19 That's what my students have told me. 

368.19 - 372.81 And also, I found that the more timely the feedback, 

372.81 - 375 the less likely they are to make the same mistakes 

375 - 376.86 in subsequent assignments. 

376.86 - 378.45 My students have also told me they 

378.45 - 380.653 prefer more personalized feedback. 

380.653 - 383.07 So the more personalized, the better, is what I would say. 

383.07 - 385.02 And make sure that it's constructive 

385.02 - 387.91 so that your students have the opportunity to learn from it. 

387.91 - 390.75 This is where a rubric can be super helpful 

390.75 - 393.182 because it gives you a starting point for your feedback. 

393.182 - 394.89 You already know what you're looking for, 

394.89 - 396.807 and you're able to build on that and point out 

396.807 - 398.79 specific things and specific areas 

398.79 - 400.652 where your students can maybe improve. 

400.652 - 402.36 They know what's expected because they've 

402.36 - 406.26 looked at the rubric, and then that rubric points to places 

406.26 - 408.12 where they could do better or maybe even 

408.12 - 409.77 places where they've excelled. 

409.77 - 412.193 It's important not just to do the constructive feedback, 

412.193 - 414.36 but to also point out things that they've done well, 

414.36 - 418.29 even something as simple as like including grammar on a rubric. 

418.29 - 421.41 I teach a writing course, so I tend 

421.41 - 423.6 to fall back on the communication examples 

423.6 - 425.71 if that doesn't fit what you're doing, 

425.71 - 428.08 just try and apply it to what works for you. 

428.08 - 430.69 But if your student has a lot of run-on sentences, 

430.69 - 432.76 for example, you can rate them accordingly, 

432.76 - 436.24 however your grammar tree is structured on your rubric. 

436.24 - 438.97 And then you can leave a note on their actual work 

438.97 - 442.57 in 1 or 2 places that say, hey, maybe you should combine these, 

442.57 - 445.48 or maybe you should break this up into smaller portions, 

445.48 - 446.848 showing them how to fix it. 

446.848 - 449.14 You don't necessarily have to do it for every instance, 

449.14 - 452.35 but give them that example they can follow and tell them 

452.35 - 453.85 to keep looking through it. 

453.85 - 455.62 And then, if you can, if you find, 

455.62 - 456.94 as you're going through things, that there's 

456.94 - 459.16 common things that your students are struggling with, 

459.16 - 460.41 bring them into the classroom. 

460.41 - 461.59 Review them generally. 

461.59 - 463.09 Provide some kind of activity where 

463.09 - 465.37 they can work on improving that particular skill. 

465.37 - 466.54 Do you have anything you wanted to add? 

466.54 - 468.04 PATTY TERRY: I'll piggyback off what 

468.04 - 470.02 Laura said about the feedback is really 

470.02 - 472.39 only helpful if you have guidance to figure out 

472.39 - 473.53 where you made mistakes. 

473.53 - 477.01 I know, for me, it's very frustrating to get back 

477.01 - 479.98 that you got a 4 out of 5, and you have no idea where 

479.98 - 482.05 you missed or what the problems were, 

482.05 - 483.67 so you can't course correct. 

483.67 - 485.5 So I think it's important to make sure 

485.5 - 487.36 that, when you're giving that feedback, 

487.36 - 490.007 you don't necessarily have to go line by line, 

490.007 - 491.59 but giving the student an overall idea 

491.59 - 494.08 if they've kind of met the objectives of the assignment 

494.08 - 495.55 or they haven't and where they need 

495.55 - 498.717 to bolster up or get assistance if they're really struggling. 

498.717 - 500.8 LAURA ABOYAN: Yeah and I think the important thing 

500.8 - 503.77 to keep in mind, too, is that this doesn't just 

503.77 - 505 hold true for rubrics. 

505 - 507.52 The same thing is true of exams, right? 

507.52 - 510.67 If the students don't know what they got wrong on an exam, 

510.67 - 512.919 and they don't know what the correct answer is, 

512.919 - 516.367 how are they ever going to be able to master that concept? 

516.367 - 518.2 How are they going to be able to build on it 

518.2 - 520.57 later in your course or even later 

520.57 - 522.7 in their own academic journey? 

522.7 - 528.07 So make sure you're telling them where they need to improve 

528.07 - 530.065 and so they can understand why. 

530.065 - 531.19 SARAH MCCARTHY: Absolutely. 

531.19 - 533.32 Yeah, and I love that you brought up 

533.32 - 535.48 bringing it into the classroom. 

535.48 - 537.85 If one student's making the mistake multiple times, 

537.85 - 539.488 other students probably are. 

539.488 - 541.03 Bring that in so everyone can kind of 

541.03 - 542.17 benefit from that lesson. 

542.17 - 542.83 That's great. 

542.83 - 543.565 PATTY TERRY: And the student realizes 

543.565 - 544.69 they're not the only person that's 

544.69 - 546.31 struggling with that concept or that struggling with that concept or that [INAUDIBLE].. 

546.31 - 547.84 SARAH MCCARTHY: Yeah, they don't feel singled out 

547.84 - 548.92 or like it's just me. 

548.92 - 550.485 That's-- yeah, great points. 

550.485 - 551.86 I love that you brought up exams. 

551.86 - 554.47 That segues perfectly into my next question. 

554.47 - 557.47 When evaluating students, are they really grasping 

557.47 - 559.99 these concepts, are they ready to graduate or move on 

559.99 - 563.02 from this class, are exams always the way to go? 

563.02 - 565.42 LAURA ABOYAN: I think it largely depends on the subject 

565.42 - 568 matter and the level of the course 

568 - 570.4 and also the size of the course. 

570.4 - 573.22 Determining what assessment is going to be the best one 

573.22 - 574.63 takes a little work, right? 

574.63 - 579.13 And you really have to start thinking through what you want 

579.13 - 581.02 your students to be able to do. 

581.02 - 583.75 If your goal is to have them apply their knowledge, 

583.75 - 586.39 are you necessarily going to be able to gauge that 

586.39 - 588.04 from performance on an exam? 

588.04 - 591.22 Or would some kind of project or presentation-based assignment 

591.22 - 593.17 really showcase their learning better, 

593.17 - 595.48 whether that's an individual project or even 

595.48 - 598.54 a small group or paired presentation or project. 

598.54 - 600.85 Sometimes not using exams as the default 

600.85 - 602.71 also kind of helps motivate the students, 

602.71 - 604.66 especially if you can design a project 

604.66 - 607.12 where they're able to choose a topic that they're 

607.12 - 607.84 interested in. 

607.84 - 610.18 And we've got a couple of really great examples 

610.18 - 612.91 of this happening in our undergraduate program. 

612.91 - 613.75 I'll talk about one. 

613.75 - 614.8 Then you want to talk about the other, Patty? 

614.8 - 615.13 PATTY TERRY: Sure. 

615.13 - 617.77 LAURA ABOYAN: For example, our business communication class, 

617.77 - 621.61 which, full disclosure, I'm currently teaching-- so again, 

621.61 - 622.93 came straight to mind-- 

622.93 - 625.03 their big culminating assignment is 

625.03 - 626.71 to create a business proposal. 

626.71 - 629.71 They go through the entire proposal process, development 

629.71 - 632.98 process, from choosing a topic that's important to them, 

632.98 - 635.02 convincing their audience there is a problem, 

635.02 - 636.61 and offering a solution. 

636.61 - 638.2 And there have been a couple of times 

638.2 - 640.03 that we can point to where proposals 

640.03 - 643.6 from this particular course have actually gone on 

643.6 - 645.13 to be expanded and implemented. 

645.13 - 647.83 Our center for Ethics, Diversity, and Workplace 

647.83 - 652.09 Culture, for example, hosted an event about a year, year 

652.09 - 654.49 and a half ago called Voices of Pride 

654.49 - 656.95 that came out of a student proposal 

656.95 - 659.38 in an honors business communication section. 

659.38 - 662.44 Last year, the National Association 

662.44 - 665.54 of Black Accountants hosted a conference at Temple. 

665.54 - 668.33 And that came out of a proposal in one of my business 

668.33 - 669.77 communication sections. 

669.77 - 672.74 The students are more inclined to put in the effort 

672.74 - 675.17 because it's something that they feel connected to 

675.17 - 677.6 and that is really important to them. 

677.6 - 680.12 PATTY TERRY: And one of our new courses in our redesigned 

680.12 - 684.8 curriculum is BA 1103, which is a new course that 

684.8 - 688.1 was designed with Jeff Boles, who is the chair of the Legal 

688.1 - 689.12 Studies Department. 

689.12 - 693.86 And their assessment, they use a podcast assignment 

693.86 - 696.47 where students are to create a podcast discussing 

696.47 - 699.86 an ethical issue and kind of come up with their own script 

699.86 - 701.3 and record it. 

701.3 - 703.4 And students have been-- 

703.4 - 705.962 the feedback, anecdotally, has been really, really positive. 

705.962 - 708.17 Students like that is kind of a different assignment. 

708.17 - 711.407 It's not your typical kind of fill out this paper exam. 

711.407 - 713.24 But they're still demonstrating what they've 

713.24 - 715.55 learned in that modality. 

715.55 - 717.71 So it's been really positive to see 

717.71 - 720.68 that there are different ways to assess learning outside 

720.68 - 724.16 of just giving them a multiple-choice exam 

724.16 - 726.65 or high-stakes exams, which we know 

726.65 - 728.54 from the science tells us doesn't really 

728.54 - 730.46 work in demonstrating learning. 

730.46 - 734.06 It causes more anxiety for students to do those things. 

734.06 - 736.76 So the importance of making sure that, when 

736.76 - 739.61 we're talking about assessment or evaluating student learning, 

739.61 - 741.29 is we're giving them an opportunity 

741.29 - 742.82 to demonstrate certain things. 

742.82 - 744.95 And a lot of times, exams may not 

744.95 - 747.47 give them the opportunity if it's the only way 

747.47 - 749.06 that we're looking at it. 

749.06 - 751.4 And so I would suggest that, especially 

751.4 - 752.84 for more quantitative courses that 

752.84 - 756.38 tend to lean on exams to also think about not making them 

756.38 - 759.42 as high stakes and then also offering 

759.42 - 761.42 other ways for students to demonstrate learning, 

761.42 - 764.21 so other homework assignments or written assignments or in-class 

764.21 - 766.88 assignments so that students don't feel the pressure 

766.88 - 768.68 to just have to do well on one exam 

768.68 - 770.93 to do well or show what they've learned in the course. 

770.93 - 773.6 LAURA ABOYAN: Yeah, I would be inclined to agree with that. 

773.6 - 776.54 We know we're never going to be able to scrap exams entirely. 

776.54 - 779.78 They are important, depending on discipline, 

779.78 - 783.32 depending on class size, depending on level of course, 

783.32 - 784.4 subject matter. 

784.4 - 785.37 We know that. 

785.37 - 787.22 But the same way you would design a rubric, 

787.22 - 789.41 you want to be thoughtful and deliberate in how 

789.41 - 791.6 you're designing your exam. 

791.6 - 793.247 Think about if you're asking questions 

793.247 - 795.08 that are really reflective of the way you've 

795.08 - 798.23 presented concepts in class or in homework. 

798.23 - 801.71 Or are you focusing on really the most important takeaways 

801.71 - 802.94 from your course? 

802.94 - 804.95 Or are you just asking questions for the sake 

804.95 - 806.36 of asking questions. 

806.36 - 809.21 Like Patty was saying, consider the length of your exam. 

809.21 - 810.75 How many questions do you really, 

810.75 - 813.44 really need to ensure that the students have 

813.44 - 814.64 mastered the material. 

814.64 - 817.76 If you're asking multiple questions about the same topic, 

817.76 - 818.3 why? 

818.3 - 820.82 Is it because that topic is directly 

820.82 - 822.62 part of the course learning objectives? 

822.62 - 824.87 Because it's the most one of the most important things 

824.87 - 826.703 they're going to take away from your course? 

826.703 - 828.77 Or is it something a little more tangential 

828.77 - 831.2 that maybe doesn't need such a heavy emphasis on it 

831.2 - 832.43 on an assessment? 

832.43 - 834.59 Much like with your rubrics, you want the exams 

834.59 - 836.66 to be focused on the most important parts 

836.66 - 837.35 of your courses. 

837.35 - 839.75 And the questions should be reflective of the topics 

839.75 - 842.9 that the students have had the chance to investigate and apply 

842.9 - 844.76 in other ways throughout the semester. 

844.76 - 846.177 SARAH MCCARTHY: This is wonderful. 

846.177 - 848.06 So I'm just going to-- my final question-- 

848.06 - 852.5 as Jeff Boles did with the 1103 new course design, 

852.5 - 856.28 if faculty want to come and redesign their exams 

856.28 - 859.7 or see other modes to assess their students-- like you said 

859.7 - 861.547 that podcast assignment, different. 

861.547 - 862.88 The students were engaged in it. 

862.88 - 864.26 That's what we want to do. 

864.26 - 867.148 Can faculty just reach out to you guys, stop by? 

867.148 - 868.19 LAURA ABOYAN: Absolutely. 

868.19 - 870.19 We love the opportunity to collaborate-- 

870.19 - 871.19 SARAH MCCARTHY: [LAUGHS] 

871.19 - 874.67 LAURA ABOYAN: --if we can and help wherever we're able. 

874.67 - 877.1 Either one of us can help across any program, 

877.1 - 880.34 although we each have our own areas that we tend to focus on 

880.34 - 882.47 just for ease of workload. 

882.47 - 886.28 Patty is your go-to for all things undergraduates. 

886.28 - 888.92 Whether that's a core course or a course in the major, 

888.92 - 890.81 she is here to help with that. 

890.81 - 893.87 We kind of split our specialized master's programs. 

893.87 - 896.99 But then anything with the MBA or the doctoral programs, 

896.99 - 898.347 I can certainly take on. 

898.347 - 899.93 PATTY TERRY: Our responsibilities here 

899.93 - 902.21 is to really consult and work with the faculty 

902.21 - 905.78 to deliver a wonderful, solid educational program. 

905.78 - 908.33 So where the faculty are the content experts, 

908.33 - 909.71 were the educational experts. 

909.71 - 911.51 We're the experts in the delivery. 

911.51 - 913.46 So what we want to do is find ways 

913.46 - 916.28 to help faculty deliver in a way that 

916.28 - 918.32 is palatable for the students, and it 

918.32 - 920.262 helps them actually learn the concepts 

920.262 - 921.47 that they're trying to relay. 

921.47 - 924.05 So the important thing, I think, to remember 

924.05 - 926.54 is that we're here to work with the faculty, 

926.54 - 929.12 not tell them how to teach, but work with them on making sure 

929.12 - 931.865 that they're doing the teaching in the most effective manner. 

931.865 - 932.99 SARAH MCCARTHY: Absolutely. 

932.99 - 936.32 LAURA ABOYAN: So they can just send either one of us an email 

936.32 - 938.39 or stop by our offices. 

938.39 - 941.45 We're both here a few days a week in person, 

941.45 - 943.34 and we're located in the dean's office. 

943.34 - 945.53 So anybody, please come on by. 

945.53 - 946.31 We love company. 

946.31 - 946.82 SARAH MCCARTHY: Absolutely. 

946.82 - 948.403 Well, thank you both for coming today. 

948.403 - 950.84 This is-- I'm sure the faculty-- this is very helpful 

950.84 - 953.3 as we get into the semester, we start 

953.3 - 954.948 thinking about our courses, anything we 

954.948 - 956.24 might need to change or update. 

956.24 - 958.55 These are wonderful suggestions and feedback 

958.55 - 959.72 for the faculty to consider. 

959.72 - 961.37 So thank you both so much for joining us today. 

961.37 - 961.85 PATTY TERRY: Thank you. 

961.85 - 962.9 LAURA ABOYAN: Thanks for having us. 

962.9 - 964.442 PATTY TERRY: Thank you for having us. 

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