Digital Innovation: Zoom Fatigue

Digital Innovation: Zoom Fatigue

  • Date added: 2024-02-02
  • Duration: 9:02

In this episode our hosts discuss what Zoom fatigue is and how to overcome it in your work life.

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7.605 - 9.73 SPEAKER: Hello and welcome to this episode of The T 

9.73 - 10.48 in Teaching. 

10.48 - 12.16 This episode is the first episode 

12.16 - 14.23 in a series called "Digital Innovation," where 

14.23 - 17.98 our hosts, Angelica Finley and Amy Safirstein Sharma 

17.98 - 20.89 discuss new technologies, topics, and techniques 

20.89 - 22.18 in online education. 

22.18 - 24.64 In this episode, our hosts will discuss an issue 

24.64 - 27.49 that most people have experienced, Zoom fatigue. 

27.49 - 28.57 Thank you very much. 

28.57 - 29.17 Please enjoy. 

38.47 - 41.08 ANGELICA FINLEY: Hello, and welcome to the first episode 

41.08 - 43.24 of the "Digital Innovation" series. 

43.24 - 44.092 I'm Ang. 

44.092 - 45.55 AMY SAFIRSTEIN SHARMA: And I'm Amy. 

45.55 - 47.71 ANGELICA FINLEY: And we are glad to be here talking 

47.71 - 48.49 with you today. 

48.49 - 51.13 In this series, we'll be discussing some people 

51.13 - 55.42 or most people have experienced, which is Zoom fatigue. 

55.42 - 58.21 Amy, can you talk about a time where you felt Zoom fatigue, 

58.21 - 61.323 whether that be at work or in a class type of environment? 

61.323 - 62.74 AMY SAFIRSTEIN SHARMA: Absolutely. 

62.74 - 65.89 I think we've all felt Zoom fatigue on both ends, 

65.89 - 68.5 as a professor and as well as a student. 

68.5 - 71.08 On the presenter or professor side, 

71.08 - 73.21 I definitely have felt Zoom fatigue 

73.21 - 75.67 whenever students don't have their cameras turned on. 

75.67 - 77.89 It's almost like giving a regular presentation, 

77.89 - 81.4 but just to a wall instead of two attendees. 

81.4 - 84.19 You're giving jokes, you're explaining things, 

84.19 - 86.71 and you have no idea if those jokes are landing 

86.71 - 88.93 or if anyone's really paying attention 

88.93 - 90.43 by the end of your presentation. 

90.43 - 93.13 So it's pretty tiring, a little bit nerve wracking, 

93.13 - 95.56 not really knowing where you stand with your audience. 

95.56 - 98.12 And then from the other side, from the student side, 

98.12 - 100.4 you've got your camera on the entire time. 

100.4 - 102.95 Oftentimes, this is through really long lectures. 

102.95 - 104.24 There may not be breaks. 

104.24 - 106.28 You don't feel like you can really move around 

106.28 - 108.71 all that much because you've got to stay focused 

108.71 - 110.51 in the center of the camera. 

110.51 - 112.43 And additionally, you're paying attention 

112.43 - 114.02 to what you look like. 

114.02 - 117.11 So this is how I figured out that my face is not 

117.11 - 119.63 perfectly symmetrical, and then I pay attention 

119.63 - 120.77 to that half of the class. 

120.77 - 123.512 So it can be tiring, not super helpful. 

123.512 - 124.97 That's where the Zoom fatigue comes 

124.97 - 128.639 into play on both sides of the coin there. 

128.639 - 129.74 So let's turn it around. 

129.74 - 133.97 And Ang, how can students notice Zoom fatigue setting in? 

133.97 - 135.95 And I know that you've taught some classes, 

135.95 - 139.79 so as a professor yourself, how have you noticed Zoom fatigue 

139.79 - 140.33 setting in? 

140.33 - 142.73 ANGELICA FINLEY: So there are a few reasons 

142.73 - 144.5 and a few sort of cues. 

144.5 - 147.95 The first and most obvious would be just staring 

147.95 - 151.82 at a screen for a long period of time, so that sort of intense 

151.82 - 154.13 close up on a screen for-- 

154.13 - 156.41 it's usually over an hour or even more, 

156.41 - 157.73 can really take a toll. 

157.73 - 161.6 The second would be something that you mentioned, 

161.6 - 165.71 the ability to see yourself in a meeting, or in a setting 

165.71 - 166.22 really. 

166.22 - 168.89 So in in-person settings, you're not 

168.89 - 171.14 experiencing looking at yourself unless you 

171.14 - 172.13 have a mirror with you. 

172.13 - 174.86 A lot of the time, and in classes that I've taught, 

174.86 - 177.45 I might be the only one with my video on. 

177.45 - 179.99 So it's almost like I'm speaking at myself 

179.99 - 183.627 for maybe an hour and a half, so that can really take a toll. 

183.627 - 185.21 And like you said, you're sort of just 

185.21 - 187.79 staring at your face and your imperfections. 

187.79 - 191.24 We're all human, so everybody, I'm sure, has felt that way. 

191.24 - 192.14 I definitely have. 

192.14 - 194.42 The third, you're always expected 

194.42 - 198.68 to be on in a Zoom session or in a remote session. 

198.68 - 201.23 So with face-to-face interaction, 

201.23 - 204.05 you have the ability to look around the class, 

204.05 - 207.32 look away from the instructor, look down at your notes. 

207.32 - 211.76 In an online class, you really don't have that ability. 

211.76 - 214.422 I mean, you definitely can look away from your screen, 

214.422 - 216.38 but you also don't want to look like you're not 

216.38 - 217.4 paying attention. 

217.4 - 219.38 You don't want to seem distracted, 

219.38 - 221.84 so it is very taxing to always feel 

221.84 - 225.11 like you need to be on and ready and that you're always 

225.11 - 226.61 being looked at. 

226.61 - 229.28 So in an in-person setting, you don't 

229.28 - 232.13 feel like your other classmates are sort of looking at you all 

232.13 - 232.76 of the time. 

232.76 - 235.08 But when you're on Zoom, you have 

235.08 - 236.33 all of the thumbnails showing. 

236.33 - 237.747 You can kind of see what everybody 

237.747 - 239.04 is doing all the time. 

239.04 - 242.593 So it definitely can be a little bit stressful in that sense. 

242.593 - 244.01 AMY SAFIRSTEIN SHARMA: Absolutely. 

244.01 - 245.18 That's a good point. 

245.18 - 246.44 ANGELICA FINLEY: The fourth-- 

246.44 - 249.89 I would say we all have experienced this-- would be 

249.89 - 251.33 distractions and tech issues. 

251.33 - 254.66 So in an online setting or on Zoom, 

254.66 - 256.61 there is that temptation of being 

256.61 - 260.3 able to multitask when you're in a class, 

260.3 - 262.49 I would say, or just in a meeting, 

262.49 - 265.34 whether that be online shopping or checking your email 

265.34 - 267.08 or going on your social media. 

267.08 - 270.11 You do have that sort of ability to multitask. 

270.11 - 271.94 That's a big thing, and tech issues, 

271.94 - 275.84 and we've all have experienced our fair share of tech issues, 

275.84 - 278.15 whether that be Wi-Fi lagging. 

278.15 - 279.95 There are Zoom issues that could come up. 

279.95 - 282.44 A certain feature isn't working, breakout groups aren't working, 

282.44 - 283.898 you're unable to share your screen. 

283.898 - 285.86 That can be a really big distraction. 

285.86 - 290.63 That can just ultimately be a stressor for faculty that 

290.63 - 293.39 aren't expecting it, students who aren't expecting it, 

293.39 - 296.87 and it can take a large sort of chunk of time 

296.87 - 299.12 to recover from that. 

299.12 - 301.46 To go off of that, what are some strategies 

301.46 - 304.523 that students can implement to manage their Zoom fatigue? 

304.523 - 305.69 AMY SAFIRSTEIN SHARMA: Yeah. 

305.69 - 309.412 So one thing that we recommend is getting situated, 

309.412 - 311.87 looking and making sure that you're centered, that everyone 

311.87 - 316.37 can see you, and then turning off your own view of yourself 

316.37 - 319.92 in Zoom so that you can't see yourself the entire time. 

319.92 - 321.74 Definitely a hard thing to do initially 

321.74 - 324.71 because you want to just keep going back and making sure 

324.71 - 327.35 that your face looks as symmetrical as possible. 

327.35 - 330.47 But it's better in the long run to go ahead and turn that 

330.47 - 332.75 off so that you can't keep looking at yourself 

332.75 - 334.853 and nitpicking what may or may not be wrong. 

334.853 - 337.27 Additionally, if you can move your seat back a little bit, 

337.27 - 339.58 just to create a little bit of space between yourself 

339.58 - 343.72 and the screen, that helps to trick your brain 

343.72 - 345.4 into thinking that you're not super 

345.4 - 348.52 close up with everyone looking right at your face all 

348.52 - 349.15 of the time. 

349.15 - 351.31 And additionally, having that extra space 

351.31 - 354.46 allows you to potentially move around a little bit more 

354.46 - 355.93 in non-distracting ways. 

355.93 - 358.93 One of the ways I actually found to help myself 

358.93 - 363.1 in one of my classes was I bought a cheap stationary bike, 

363.1 - 364.96 and I just set it up underneath my desk. 

364.96 - 366.79 And during class, I would watch the class 

366.79 - 368.83 and just be slowly pedaling underneath the desk 

368.83 - 371.14 to keep myself moving, which definitely 

371.14 - 374.02 helped me to pay a little bit more attention to class. 

374.02 - 376.63 And then, finally, your professors are there for you. 

376.63 - 377.98 They want to help you succeed. 

377.98 - 380.38 So if you're really having issues with Zoom fatigue, 

380.38 - 383.38 I would recommend talking with your professor about it. 

383.38 - 386.38 They can come up with strategies and try to help you to be 

386.38 - 388.96 a little bit less fatigued, maybe change things around 

388.96 - 390.22 in their class a little bit. 

390.22 - 392.29 They may not realize the students are really 

392.29 - 395.11 getting fatigued through these Zoom sessions. 

395.11 - 397.42 So that being said, Ang, how can professors 

397.42 - 399.82 best help their students, either in class 

399.82 - 402.07 or when designing their courses, to mitigate 

402.07 - 403.84 those effects of Zoom fatigue? 

403.84 - 404.757 ANGELICA FINLEY: Sure. 

404.757 - 407.02 So one of the main things that I've learned 

407.02 - 410.2 is that every second doesn't need to be filled with talking. 

410.2 - 411.7 In-person classes aren't like that. 

411.7 - 414.25 Zoom classes do not need to be like that. 

414.25 - 418.03 So utilizing polls, breakout groups, 

418.03 - 421.96 making room for questions or conversations even, 

421.96 - 425.62 that can be really helpful, so just engaging 

425.62 - 430.06 students in different ways other than just 

430.06 - 432.04 unmuting themselves and communicating. 

432.04 - 434.44 Utilizing the Zoom chat can be helpful as well. 

434.44 - 436.84 I feel like a lot of my students really 

436.84 - 440.17 enjoy using the chat to engage with the class 

440.17 - 442.87 and ask questions, rather than unmuting themselves. 

442.87 - 444.49 So that is a big one. 

444.49 - 448.06 Utilizing applications such as Poll Everywhere, where 

448.06 - 450.31 you can integrate them in PowerPoints, 

450.31 - 453.31 integrate poll questions in PowerPoints, I should say. 

453.31 - 455.74 Integrate WordBubbles, things that 

455.74 - 458.59 just give a second for a break of just lecturing. 

458.59 - 461.47 The most obvious solution here would probably 

461.47 - 464.47 be to take breaks. 

464.47 - 466.96 Schedule a break if you can during a session. 

466.96 - 470.75 I know it depends on the meeting time. 

470.75 - 472.84 So if you have a 50-minute class, 

472.84 - 476.59 you don't really have the ability to take a break. 

476.59 - 480.1 You kind of need to get that content and material in there. 

480.1 - 484.09 But if you have a longer period that you're working with, 

484.09 - 485.86 shorter breaks, a five-minute break, 

485.86 - 487.24 that can be really helpful. 

487.24 - 491.23 And also the last would be to schedule some video 

491.23 - 493.75 off time in your session. 

493.75 - 498.25 So if you want to put students in breakout groups for a class 

498.25 - 500.98 discussion to work on a certain in-class activity, 

500.98 - 501.91 that's really helpful. 

501.91 - 506.92 They don't need to necessarily have their camera off or-- 

506.92 - 509.26 they don't necessarily need to have their camera 

509.26 - 512.14 on for something like that. 

512.14 - 514.84 It gives them a chance to sort of turn off 

514.84 - 517.22 rather than feeling like they're on all the time. 

517.22 - 519.97 So once you put students in a breakout session, 

519.97 - 522.49 that gives them the ability to sort of turn off their camera 

522.49 - 525.01 and be able to just talk back and forth with each other. 

525.01 - 528.16 Or if they have just in-class work in general 

528.16 - 531.31 to work on their own, they can go ahead and turn their cameras 

531.31 - 532.86 off. 

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